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Smuggles — Yesterday at 10:03 AM
So labbing vs Sol pressure
[10:04 AM]
I think I've found a pretty good spread of defensive options want to hear what you guys think
[10:05 AM]
The strings that I've found to be the hardest to deal with were when the Sol would RPS off only the plus moves
[10:06 AM]
cSfS > dash cSfS, the cS would catch a late backdash, and it would turn into a fS that punished you if you backdashe'd early
[10:06 AM]
cSfS > 5H frame trap, smoke you for trying to stop him from resetting pressure
[10:07 AM]
cSfS > fS, force the situation again and force block on a fuzzy jump or something
[10:07 AM]
cSfS dash up throw, once you're finally conditioned to sit there
[10:07 AM]
I used to think backdashing the 5H and risking a mash to stop the pressure resets was just how the RPS worked
[10:08 AM]
But it's High risk for medium reward
[10:08 AM]
The chance that he goes for a throw without meter to RC it is pretty low anyways, if the Sol is good
[10:09 AM]
So thinking more about more complex defensive options I've found these two options to be low risk medium to high reward, and cover loooots of options
[10:09 AM]
Both options hinge on you stand FDing fS, but might not be imparative need to test more
[10:11 AM]
Option 1: Stand FD > fuzzy 2K 214K[P+K], you delay the button long enough that you would block a fS > fS or fS5H, it's only to challenge the pressure resets that include dashing up
[10:12 AM]
It'll beat dash up cS or throw, and only really is punished by fS 6S or fS bandit bringer. Blocking almost every frame trap he would go for. He can do some layered pressure with delaying his pressure, but that's a win since it creates more time for other options and at least it's a CH fS instead of a CH 5H (edited)
izy — Yesterday at 10:12 AM
How does it fare against f.S slight delay f.S?
Smuggles — Yesterday at 10:13 AM
Edited last sentence for that
[10:13 AM]
You get hit, but the other option mitigates that and the risk is lower cuz it's not 5H frame trap
izy — Yesterday at 10:14 AM
Also i'm p sure he gets more reward off CH f.S then CH 5H (edited)
[10:14 AM]
I know he gets more off it with meter
Smuggles — Yesterday at 10:14 AM
CH fS is more if they don't do vortex stuff off 5H
izy — Yesterday at 10:14 AM
CH f.S with meter gives you combos into kara DP
Smuggles — Yesterday at 10:15 AM
Anyways option 2
[10:15 AM]
Option 2: Stand FD > stand FD fuzzy backdash
[10:16 AM]
The main issue with option 1 is that if he does fS fS, you just block it and he gets to keep pressuring
[10:16 AM]
This one will make his fS fS > frame trap 5H whiff, along with most other frame traps
[10:16 AM]
Presenting you with a pretty strong situation
[10:17 AM]
The fuzzy backdash is so that you can avoid him doing a dash throw that is meant to punish you for being too passive
[10:19 AM]
This one will still sort of lose to fS dash up cS, but that's why there is 2 options
izy — Yesterday at 10:21 AM
The big issue with fuzzying against sol is that even if your reward off it is good his reward off a callout gets absurd
[10:21 AM]
Its still better then just guessing by far tho
Smuggles — Yesterday at 10:21 AM
So option 1 stops pressure resets and throws, except for fS fS. Loses to layered pressure and specific frame traps.
Option 2 negates the frame trap options from fS fS, punishes throw attempts, and safe from frame traps that beat option 1. Loses to the initial pressure reset
[10:22 AM]
But you can take the risk of being thrown, to avoid having option 2 punished by dash up cS
[10:23 AM]
I think this is the best educated guessing game you can make vs his strike throw pressure
Surewin — Yesterday at 12:45 PM
Guus
[12:45 PM]
Guys
[12:45 PM]
We need to start downplaying gio
[12:46 PM]
EU scene starting to think GIO is top5 (edited)
[12:46 PM]
Maybe top4
Smuggles — Yesterday at 12:57 PM
Rip
[12:57 PM]
I knew this would happen
[12:58 PM]
Everyone was saying she's simple strike throw blah blah, people will figure her out over time and she'll fall off
[12:58 PM]
When in reality, Gio being so based around fundamental rps situations in the game. As people grew to understand those situations, she would get better.
[1:00 PM]
Also her neutral is too gucci
[1:00 PM]
But when it comes down to it
[1:00 PM]
Trash girl, she can't combo her jabs and 2D takes forever to start up
[1:01 PM]
She can't do anything once you just deal with strike throw, she needs an overhead
[1:01 PM]
And honestly her damage is pretty low when you compare her to the top 5 like gold lewis Pot and Sol
[1:02 PM]
Those 3 also have waaaay better defensive options
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