Ben We Hardly Knew Ye
Ben, We Hardly Knew Ye https://digitalarkansasnews.com/ben-we-hardly-knew-ye/
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Caryn
@Caryn
9:15 AM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
I also like Sasse (fellow St. John’s College–not University, BTW) grad. He’s thoughtful and articulate, though do I think he was frequently unfair to Trump. I think he’ll better serve the nation in academia than in the swamp pit of either branch of Congress and probably be happier. That student body is larger than my home town, a State (AK) capital no less!
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kedavis
@kedavis
9:17 AM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
Oh good, let’s see Kelly and VTK fight!
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Vince Guerra
@VinceGuerra
9:48 AM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
Kelly D Johnston: 74 million Trump supporters, even though a huge share of the latter category do still believe, you know, the untrue thing—the lie—that the election was stolen,”
And for that reason, good riddance, but woe to those university professors who will be indoctrinating students with this garbage history.
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Jerry Giordano (Arizona Patriot)
@ArizonaPatriot
10:26 AM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
I no longer like Ben Sasse. I am sad about this. I recall liking him at one point.
He was in a tough position politically. I was very strongly anti-Trump during the primaries in 2016, though I refused to say “never.” I gave Trump a chance to make his case to me, and cautiously gave him my vote in 2016. I because a strong, and then enthusiastic, supporter of Trump over his first term. He actually led me to reconsider many of my former views, which I appreciate.
Kelly, I have to disagree with this part:
Kelly D Johnston: He [Sasse] also recoiled at the Democratic politicization of the January 6th attack to denigrate all Trump supporters. “I don’t think we should bundle together the hundreds of violent mob rioters of January 6 and the 74 million Trump supporters, even though a huge share of the latter category do still believe, you know, the untrue thing—the lie—that the election was stolen,” Sasse told NPR.
I don’t think that Sasse did this at all. He voted for conviction in the second impeachment, didn’t he? That was the politicization of the January 6 attack. He can say whatever he wants, but going along with the post-January 6 Left-wing hysteria was pitiful, to me. Going along with the simplistic narrative that concerns over the 2020 election are “the lie” is playing along with the Left-wing narrative.
Sasse may just be too nice a guy. You do indicate this, Kelly, with the part about being “friends” with Democrats. The Democratic party is just plain Satanic at this point. I realize that it’s not pleasant to think this about people, but about half of our countrymen favor killing babies, sanctify anal sex, and support castration and mastectomies for confused teenagers.
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Hang On
@HangOn
10:51 AM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
I haven’t been a fan of National Review or their staff since the start of the Iraq War. Back then people like David Frum were writing that anyone who didn’t go along with their lies was unpatriotic. Iraq was a total and complete disaster, yet the same fools are still around lying, trying to get us involved in wars, sending Americans to die needlessly while they sit in safety, spending trillions of dollars we don’t have on nothing of value, killing tens if not hundreds of thousands of civilians, torturing people in CIA run prisons with a gulag at Guantanamo, and to top it off losing the war they rushed into. Today, it’s Ukraine and it’s the same group of incompetent liars. Pointing out the obvious gets you branded as a Putin puppet. Sasser is among these people. The country is far better off without them.
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Ed G.
@EdG
11:23 AM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
Kelly D Johnston:
Perhaps unfairly, Sasse became known as a “never Trumper.” He was one of six GOP US Senators impacted by the events of January 6th at the US Capitol in 2021 who held Trump responsible and voted to impeach him. “This violence was the inevitable and ugly outcome of the President’s addiction to constantly stroking division … This is not how we peacefully transition power,” Sasse told Nebraska Public Media.
“As the attack Wednesday was ‘unfolding on television, Donald Trump was walking around the White House confused about why other people on his team weren’t as excited as he was as … rioters [pushed] against Capitol police, trying to get into the building,’ Sasse said. ‘That was happening. He was delighted,’” reported left-leaning HuffPost. “I believe the president has disregarded his oath of office,” Sasse told CBSNews. “He swore an oath to the American people to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution. He acted against that. What he did was wicked.”
Both of these statements are so fundamentally flawed that one’s motives, one’s character, or one’s intelligence are called into question for making them. [edited for Mark]
The first statement is uttered without regard to the years long partisan, unethical, in some cases illegal, in all cases radical, attacks and division that predicated any response from President Trump. Does Sasse acknowledge any of that? If not, why the hell doesn’t he acknowledge any of that? If so, why single out Trump instead of any number of worse offenders (assuming that defensive retaliation is offending to begin with)?
The second is just silly in light of all we know about Fake News. That’s not just a slogan or some slight bias. It’s real and we’ve seen major recent examples of it over and over. Yet he quotes HuffPo and CBS News as if these accounts as described can be thought of as undisputed truth enough to condemn Trump as wicked, and this wickedness is unwarranted and mostly a danger only from the direction of Trump and MAGA. How can he be that obtuse? Or is he getting something out of it?
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Mark Camp
@MarkCamp
12:20 PM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
Ed G. (View Comment):
Both of these statements are so fundamentally flawed that it calls into question one’s motives, one’s character, or one’s intelligence.
The only way I can make sense of this sentence is this:
You (not an inanimate “it”) are calling into question the motives, character, or intelligence of the author, Kelly Johnson (not some anonymous “one“).
If I have misunderstood what you wrote, please correct me.
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Ed G.
@EdG
12:24 PM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
Mark Camp (View Comment):
Ed G. (View Comment):
Both of these statements are so fundamentally flawed that it calls into question one’s motives, one’s character, or one’s intelligence.
The only way I can make sense of this sentence is this:
You (not an inanimate “it”) are calling into question the motives, character, or intelligence of the author, Kelly Johnson (not some anonymous “one“).
If I have misunderstood what you wrote, please correct me.
I question the motive, character, and intelligence of the one who made the original statements, i.e. Sasse, because those statements are so fundamentally and obviously flawed. Everyone else has cause to do the same.
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cdor
@cdor
12:27 PM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
Thanks for the knowledgeable, straightforward, and honest insight into Ben Sasse. I had come to see him only in the light of “Never-Trump”, even though I was aware of his original conservative bona fides. I wonder, however, how Senator Sasse knew what was going on in President Trump’s mind. I assume Sasse was in the Capitol Building and Trump was in the White House.
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kedavis
@kedavis
12:38 PM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
cdor (View Comment):
Thanks for the knowledgeable, straightforward, and honest insight into Ben Sasse. I had come to see him only in the light of “Never-Trump”, even though I was aware of his original conservative bona fides. I wonder, however, how Senator Sasse knew what was going on in President Trump’s mind. I assume Sasse was in the Capitol Building and Trump was in the White House.
Mind-Reading Trump: It’s Not Just For Democrats.
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cdor
@cdor
12:46 PM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
kedavis (View Comment):
cdor (View Comment):
Thanks for the knowledgeable, straightforward, and honest insight into Ben Sasse. I had come to see him only in the light of “Never-Trump”, even though I was aware of his original conservative bona fides. I wonder, however, how Senator Sasse knew what was going on in President Trump’s mind. I assume Sasse was in the Capitol Building and Trump was in the White House.
Mind-Reading Trump: It’s Not Just For Democrats.
Ha! Isn’t that the truth? No matter how much good one is doing, for the country and the world, if one is working from a conservative perspective, one must be perfect in all ways or one will be crucified for any perceived ill. This is our big problem and why we aren’t winning.
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Ed G.
@EdG
12:55 PM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
cdor (View Comment):
kedavis (View Comment):
cdor (View Comment):
Thanks for the knowledgeable, straightforward, and honest insight into Ben Sasse. I had come to see him only in the light of “Never-Trump”, even though I was aware of his original conservative bona fides. I wonder, however, how Senator Sasse knew what was going on in President Trump’s mind. I assume Sasse was in the Capitol Building and Trump was in the White House.
Mind-Reading Trump: It’s Not Just For Democrats.
Ha! Isn’t that the truth? No matter how much good one is doing, for the country and the world, if one is working from a conservative perspective, one must be perfect in all ways or one will be crucified for any perceived ill. This is our big problem and why we aren’t winning.
True. The difference between Trump and Sasse is that Trump was on the front line while Sasse wasn’t. All that other stuff is true enough and good, but the moment (including the last several decades) demanded something more concrete and kinetic. It demanded fight, via civil means, not both sides-ism or worse.
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Western Chauvinist
@WesternChauvinist
1:33 PM PDT ⋅ Oct 7, 2022
I put Sasse in the “insufferable scold” bucket. That may be unfair, but I haven’t s...