In 2015, if you said, “I heard it on a podcast,” you were trying to sound smart. In 2025, it’s better to lie.

Trump’s takeover of the manosphere left liberals pining for their own Joe Rogan. But the hosts of ‘Chapo,’ still stung by Bernie’s defeats, would rather let the party establishment burn. “I’m not giving any campaign advice here,” says Will Menaker, “other than to believe different things.”

Their unapologetically leftist podcast helped reshape the terms of left-wing discourse in America. Now, the Chapo Traphouse guys are reckoning with their influence—and figuring out what comes next.