Most damage I've gotten off this mini faust extension. Meterless too! #GGST_FA #PS5Share, #GuiltyGearStriveOpenBeta pic.twitter.com/UgSs4xZDBE— Ken (@kenisfraudulent) February 18, 2021
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KrackatoaToday at 3:34 PM
cS>H>H>Item
2K>2D>Item
2K>6P>Item
5K>6H>MMM/Item (New, Also Air Hit OK)
You can pretty freely gatling 5P/2P into itself and 6P also, IIRC
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XxDreMisterxXYesterday at 3:34 PM
is j.D > 236P > Run up Command throw a true setup? Saw it used in Faust's Starter guide and haven't seen anyone utilize it yet.
KrackatoaYesterday at 3:36 PM
Going in after blocked 236P is a thing, but not guaranteed and prone to be mispaced.
XxDreMisterxXYesterday at 3:38 PM
Ah ok. Seems like a meterless way to get to Afro. Can probably try it off 5k JC to guarantee spacing even.
KrackatoaYesterday at 3:38 PM
Anytime someone comes out of blockstun and you're plus is a chance to grab
But this game has FD and IBFD
So messing with spacing for Ai! is going to be pretty easy
You can't run in if the bag explodes in their front
Because Faust is fat during dash
XxDreMisterxXYesterday at 3:39 PM
Its gotta be somewhat at the top of their head i guess.
KrackatoaYesterday at 3:39 PM
Yeah, or get them to block it mid air
UnderseaMagicYesterday at 3:40 PM
the new bomb head throw trajectory is interesting
KrackatoaYesterday at 3:40 PM
Like if they tech into Bag from wall tech you might be able to get some mixups going
UnderseaMagicYesterday at 3:40 PM
I didn't really get around to testing TK bag head during the last beta, but it may have some cool applications
KrackatoaYesterday at 3:40 PM
jD > Bag always has a gap, though
Bag is great for covering space
It's good as a whiff punish against high recovery moves that extend forward
So like Nagoriyuki stuff
But it has a lot of startup
So if they get to the right space just as you go to throw it they can punish on reaction
Easier for faster characters to do that compared to someone like Pot
XxDreMisterxXYesterday at 3:42 PM
I also saw you can change the trajectory of Fausts air dash to go up or down.
UnderseaMagicYesterday at 3:42 PM
should be fun as an oki tool with the new RC stuff
XxDreMisterxXYesterday at 3:42 PM
I wonder what the purpose of that is suppose to be
KrackatoaYesterday at 3:43 PM
Sometimes things don't have much purpose
But it allows you to space airdash normals better
When doing air strings you want your last button to be as low to the ground as possible
Because you'll end up more +
But he probably got it because it looks funny
It being useful is more like a byproduct
In the first beta I would do IAD 3jPP
Far more plus than IAD 6jPP
XxDreMisterxXYesterday at 3:46 PM
ah i see. j.D doesnt knock down on hit anymore does it?
KrackatoaYesterday at 3:46 PM
No. But it explodes afros
Which then leads to knockdown
ashxuYesterday at 3:52 PM
nage is streaming the open beta when its out so would be good idea to see if he can make faust work
KrackatoaYesterday at 4:03 PM
He's had more hands on time than anyone, so that's gonna be good
ashxuYesterday at 4:13 PM
there might be a playstyle for faust that no one has discovered yet because i realized with ram that strive will have tip of far range normal confirms into wall break from mid screen lol
KrackatoaYesterday at 4:41 PM
Hrm.
So RC mid move always gives Purple
Which does have slowdown, but way less
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Krackatoa02/15/2021
6P:
Anyhow, 6P change is great, because 6P was pretty much his universal ender from lights, and now it safely goes into items/better neutral.
6P on block is still hella suss. Probably even more now given this game's damage.
j2K:
We're going to have to see if j2K got any changes
If not to attack level, then landing recovery
We never checked if it had extra rec in the beta, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's why it was so shit on block (Even if it was a level 1 or 2 move)
j2K is going to be reserved for throw traps with item covers, reaction whiff punishes from an air state, and bigly reads.
Still has good use as a counterpoke in neutral against far.S style normals
If j2K is no longer CH recovery, even better.
jSH:
jSH is still a juice string. It might actually replace j2K as a counterpoke.
(In hindsight, I should probably use it more in this situation in Xrd and +R as well... :thinking: )
It's a fast, low-crushing string that works from far.S range that's + on block and challenges air options.
I think it's more powerful in Strive.
Edit: Leo gets fuzzied by jSH in the EN IGN video.
Items Toss:
I think there's something to be said about creating a situations where items get "out of control", is there a limit on item tosses? I don't think there is, or at least it's more generous now.
Defensive Options:
Fuzzy jump j2K OS is still going to be a go-to defensive tool in this game, depending on how throw protection pans out. Fuzzy jump > jSH also sounds like super hard to punish
The reason why these "early hitting on back jump" options are good is you'll have people shimmying like in SFV, or standing there and playing reactively to punish throw breaks.
Both j2K and jS sort of throw a wrench into this.
j2K will only be good here if you have bar to RC
jS will be the go-to falling meterless option
Leo seems pretty short, so I'm confident most characters will have to hold the jH if they stand block jS
Backdash:
Backdash doesn't seem invuln :pensive:
100t Weight: Given the reward from throw, and the lack of comboability from weight... this... actually sets up a really safe and good throw attempt?
Snip Snip Snip is so lopsided for Faust behind item cover in this game.
Throw:
OTG 2H xx Item Toss seems advantageous enough.
PRC (Raw Slowdown RC): Seems + post activation, much like YRC.
I imagine it functions similarly.
This creates a pretty concrete throw mix with a huge payoff if you let a cS rip, I think.
If the slowdown protects your whiff recovery of the command grab, that's good too.
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The rest of his stuff looks pretty self-explanatory.
This Faust is definitely a Faust player.
5K whiff j2K
I thought for a second I saw kara throw
I was mistaken Vergilicious02/15/2021
This makes me wonder
Is snipsnipsnip going to become your main pressure tool ?
Bc I may be wrong but I think I saw it grab from 20 nautical miles away in one of the Korean ign vids
Krackatoa02/15/2021
It doesn't, but you can Teleport FastRC Grab
It also combos as a confirm in this way from 6H stagger
So for a "from downtown" option it's a decent use of 50 bar
I think once people adjust to your grab game, covering your airthrows with items will be a good use of your advantage
Gap covered with airthrow > projectile puts them in blockstun if they don't jump > uncovered throw mix.
DaiAndOh02/15/2021
Item throw looks way faster than beta 1
And there were no limits on how many and when you could throw items in beta 1
Krackatoa02/15/2021
I'll check
DaiAndOh02/15/2021
Ah thank you. That's my first impression cause I remember it looking really slow when I played him
Krackatoa02/15/2021
It was double what it was in Xrd
DaiAndOh02/15/2021
hm?
Sorry I don't follow?
Beta 1 item toss was twice as slow as Xrd?
Krackatoa02/15/2021
double overall animation
Beta 1: 43
Current Build: 35
13 frames off of item toss lol DaiAndOh02/15/2021
Knew it
So you have 2D for longer knockdown time or 6P for more spacing for combo enders
I don't think j.2K into j.236S worked in beta 1 but Faust did it....on counterhit. Not sure if it will work on normal hit
If you don't mind
Since I don't know how to measure but I am curious
Item toss frames in the build Nage played?
pandabetic02/15/2021
j2K into j236S was only doable on counterhit in the beta.
Faust's jH can wallbounce at certain ranges. Lack of drill cancel might limit utility...#GGST_FA pic.twitter.com/xHHNmPK9tS— Kendra (@FGC_Kendra) February 18, 2021
A concept with fast RC and high scarecrow #GGST_FA #PS5Share, #GuiltyGearStriveOpenBeta pic.twitter.com/CTagrkZFY8— Ken (@kenisfraudulent) February 18, 2021
Things to check:2P link options during PRC slowdown. 5K? cS?Teleport PRC situations. Afro fuzzies here?Item Toss PRC advantage/situations.Guaranteed Chibi/Hammer/Meteor setups to cover SSS.Hitboxes/invuln for 6P, 2K, 5K, Crawl.Can new j2K be +?Can people punish 6H xx Item?— Krackatoa (@Koryuken) February 17, 2021
faust strive changesch j.2k more plus2k > 2d actually combos6p knocks back nowhe's still god awful— perennial shitposter (@Ando_is_dabes) February 16, 2021